tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post8384340729554707640..comments2024-01-03T00:33:46.779+00:00Comments on The Lazy Girl's Guide to Life: Comment: Big Fat Gypsy Weddings- Insightful TV or Just Plain Racist?Clairehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17225577462194501357noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post-63724206356526210612011-01-28T11:01:24.830+00:002011-01-28T11:01:24.830+00:00Helen: Thats what my feeling is, the question of c...Helen: Thats what my feeling is, the question of clever editing, and I have to say I think if a programme is going to really show something as truth as a full documentary, rather than a ratings grabber, then they need to show it in it all, not just the hand picked portions- elsewise it feels like a replacement for Big Brother. <br /><br />Nickie: Yes, I'm particularly pleased that the nastier side of life as a traveller was shown- to my mind, this is land that for the most part the Travellers have bought fair and square, and they do so to have the best of both worlds, in that the kids can go to school, they have sanitation, and a good standard of living, all be it without the bricks and mortar we're used to, or is seen as socially the norm or acceptable. Ed experienced being moved on, and his thought was that they had been on their "best behaviour" due to the Police, he saw a lot worse behavior from Police and Baliffs. And yes, there are good and bad in all communities, with the Traveller community, when they fall out, its dealt with with a good old fashioned fist fight. Sadly, its not the same for a lot of other social groups who resort to knives and guns to settle disputes.<br /><br />TwitForBrains: Thanks for stopping by, and welcome to my blog. I think your comments are interesting, you make a very well backed up point. However, I'm not entirely sure whether you are for or against the programme?<br /><br />Tasha: Yes I know you're not the only person to feel that way, in fact I was shocked at some supposedly intelligent people's perhaps less than well thought out response to the programme. I think before anyone got involved with a Channel 4 documentary they wold need to watch this and think very carefully beforehand.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17225577462194501357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post-2653487120532801842011-01-27T21:09:25.127+00:002011-01-27T21:09:25.127+00:00I haven't watched this at all, but have felt v...I haven't watched this at all, but have felt very uncomfortable at some of the comments I've seen on Facebook and Twitter. I cannot imagine that Channel 4 has made a balanced documentary, as I've never seen them manage that before. Just the title of the programme makes me cringe and seeing terms like 'gypo' all over the place is making me sick, frankly.Tasha Goddardhttp://www.wahm-bam.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post-85346532951928089002011-01-27T18:12:22.241+00:002011-01-27T18:12:22.241+00:00I've transcribed word for word some clips from...I've transcribed word for word some clips from the first 5 minutes of BFGW. You can verify this for yourself on 4OD. Except I'm going to find/replace the just the words "travellers" and "gypsy" with "white", and "non-traveller" and "non-gypsy" with "black". See how you feel reading this:<br /><br />"Whites are afraid their traditions will disappear".<br />"They are worried that culture will die out"<br />"They want to preserve their society, they want to keep it just them, so its pure".<br />"They don't want their society diluted by blacks, they want to keep it as pure as they possibly can, so a black coming in is going to dilute it, another step down the line to being wiped out, basically".<br />(later) "Pat faces criticism for marrying a black".<br /><br />Everyone still at ease, or is there a little bit uncomfortable shifting in chairs right now?<br /><br />It wasn't so much the program itself that was of interest, but the commentary surrounding it, especially the regular tweets from Amnesty during the show reminding us to campaign for gypsy rights, and comments here about "sneering". And when did it suddenly become acceptable to spray-tan 8 year-olds so they suffer welts, then watch them gyrate in micro-skirts?<br /><br />Either, as EHRC and Amnesty seem to think, travellers and gypsies are a race, or they're not. Either way, the travellers are surely guilty of appalling racism and xenophobia.<br /><br />There's an appalling stench of double-standards wafting from the direction of those, especially on "the right on left" accusing the show of sneering voyeurism and racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post-39705326655523959602011-01-25T23:46:58.073+00:002011-01-25T23:46:58.073+00:00Claire - only just caught up with your blog and mi...Claire - only just caught up with your blog and missed this when you first posted it. I have to agree with the majority of what you have written - even though I was tweeting during the programme, and again this week - but I look at the gypsy life from a slightly different angle. We have a permanent camp just around the corner from us. In the main, the community is great - the lads are out to "prove something" from time to time but any trouble and the adults curb in almost immediately.<br /><br />The programme *is* edited to cause controversy and discussion and it is a very naive person who thought that this programme was going to dispel any myths about the travelling community. The rubberneckers will see the programme at its face value and nothing more.<br /><br />Tonight's programme did hit home though. There were a lot of tweets about the dresses for the wedding (a traveller marrying an outsider - imagine that eh?) and the communion but when the bailiffs & the council came in and demolished a whole camp, Twitter was noticeably quiet... and very uncomfortable.Nickie O'Harahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945338904756339422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1719633936456636651.post-31096401621779363542011-01-20T16:49:59.308+00:002011-01-20T16:49:59.308+00:00Channel 4 is out to look for the most dramatic and...Channel 4 is out to look for the most dramatic and outrageous stories they can find and even if they seem a bit so-so when being filmed, the guys back in the editing suite will make it look way different.<br /><br />I haven't watched it, mainly because I know how C4 work when comes to making documentaries so I stick to BBC usually (ITV News makes me cringe as much as C4 does). I just prefer truth and not glammed up and editted hugely just for the figures to be higher then ever before.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835335130119624747noreply@blogger.com